1.7a3 Targeting/Omni fire problem

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TheLoneWolf
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Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:35 pm

So I observed this bug while I was getting destroyed by a Molotok. If you target a friendly ship docked at a friendly station, your Omnidirectional weapon (TLC in my case) doesn't lock on your target. IDK if its intentional, just wanted ye guys to know.

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Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:53 pm

Weapons not locking on to friendly targets unless they're angry is a deliberate change. I'm not sure yet if it's a good idea.

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Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:26 pm

I feel like this makes the lore on what dots mean somewhat more convoluted. The initial handwave appears to be that the government designates some ships as red, and it's okay to fire upon those. That makes sense with the new change, under the (presently correct) assumption that nobody can mess around with the dot colors of someone else's ship or spoof a green one. A society like the CW, with a very laissez faire belief system, probably wouldn't like to take that risk. Think about how people react to the idea of their self driving car making decisions in the name of the 'greater good', and imagine replacing the car with a gun in a universe full of violent criminals who are at best indifferent towards the idea of killing you.

Of course, even this causes issues with some things. The Huari are aggressive towards Commonwealth ships, yet the ROM somehow knows when they become willing to make an exception for the player and accepts this. More blatantly, it can recognize that you want to kill Commonwealth military ships when defending the Antarctica, and lights them up as red accordingly.

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Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:39 am

Wouldn't it make sense if the ship's computers listened to the players instead of the Govt? Ain't that against "free will" or crap like that? BTW the RESCUE KATAMI mission is way difficult without targeting the Molotok. But but my V-50 laser obeys my command...How?

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Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:47 pm

TheLoneWolf wrote:BTW the RESCUE KATAMI mission is way difficult without targeting the Molotok. But but my V-50 laser obeys my command...How?
Sounds like something to do with swivel weapons - You should ticket that.
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Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:49 pm

Xephyr wrote:
TheLoneWolf wrote:BTW the RESCUE KATAMI mission is way difficult without targeting the Molotok. But but my V-50 laser obeys my command...How?
Sounds like something to do with swivel weapons - You should ticket that.
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Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:07 pm

I think I have an ideal fix for this. Add a key that can be held to override the targeting restrictions. Prevents friendly fire when not intended, but allows the targeting of friendlies that must be killed for either loot or a mission.

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Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:19 pm

If I target a friendly, and I want to shoot it, I want ALL of my guns to fire at it! Even if the friendly is not angry at me.

If one of the Transcendence 1.7 betas changed this recently, then this is yet another advantage Endless Sky has over Transcendence - being able to target and murder friendlies for whatever reason, such as theft as done by Salvagers.
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