Raisu/Arco Vaughn bug.

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Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:49 am

 …Or, “How To Get Raisu To Tell You Where Arco Vaughn Is (Without Firing A Shot).”
 Actually, it’s fairly easy, if rather tedious. Find a Centauri station and fly around it while dodging incoming fire. There are better-than-even odds that the raiders will blow up the station before the station blows up the raiders — especially if there’s a heavy raider involved. Repeat three times, try to get the raiders blown up in the ensuing explosion, and drag any survivors out to Starton Eridani and let the Centurions deal with them, and voila! Erica’s ready to talk. (…Okay, so you do have to deal with the raiders circling Raisu yourself, but that’s a technicality… ¬.¬; )
 I’m almost tempted to not report this one as a bug, though, seeing as it’d probably be in-character for them to deny responsibility and blame the guy who taunted them into having lousy aim, but Raisu probably has information sources other than just what the warlords are telling them. Especially with that one Centauri camp being in LRS range of the Starton cluster of stations.
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Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:06 pm

Personally I consider this a feature. :P


Also: It's not that hard to get the centauri around Raisu to kill each other.
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Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:24 pm

I think it should be allowed, but perhaps other dialogue should be given (since otherwise you'll never get his location without adding more stations to the system magically)
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Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:10 am

Personally, I don't see what needs changing. Killing the Centauri raiders by tricking them into destroying their own bases is still your own action, really. Logically, someone who flew around pirate stations getting them to destroy themselves would be treated much the same as someone who destroyed them through conventional means, especially considering how unreliable the communication in the Transcendence universe is established to be(luring Phobii over to ringer stations leads the Fleet, the military arm of the Commonwealth with supposedly advanced intelligence operations, to assume you killed them, and even Decker himself has nothing but his suspicions to go on if you destroy the group of capital ships he sends after the Antarctica).

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:40 pm

Well, I am no coder but it seems as if it goes on Centauri stations destroyed, not killed by the player. So it should be completely possible to spawn in a CSC and let it do the dirty work for you.

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:56 am

StealthX051 wrote:Well, I am no coder but it seems as if it goes on Centauri stations destroyed, not killed by the player. So it should be completely possible to spawn in a CSC and let it do the dirty work for you.
...yeesss. But that's blatant cheating *and* requires using the debug console and/or a utility mod. The debate's over whether "baiting" should count as actual combat for the purposes of the mission (And I'd count "lure them into annoying a friendly with missiles" as baiting as well as the classic "make them kill each other bwahahaha" method). Personally I figure it should since it usually takes some skill to do it, plus it's the player who's ultimately responsible for the kill.


...plus it doesn't give score and is more likely to get you killed than just shooting it, so further punishment isn't required. :P
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Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:22 pm

 Ah, but it shouldn’t count when the player has nothing to do with it. I’ve seen a passing freighter aggro the raiders, the raiders chase it and aggro Starton Cluster guards, the guards chase a raider back to the camp, get pinged by the camp, and retaliate by blowing the ever loving bajeezus out of the camp. All while I was minding my own business and window shopping at the local armor dealer. The Centauri and Raisu still blamed/credited me with the kill. (Centauri camps do not hold up well to an annoyed Manticore, by the way.)
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Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:08 pm

True. But it's easier to assume that the player has something to do with it. Besides....Raisu hear about someone (probably via the centauri occupiers getting more and more scared) smashing their way through the centauri. They don't know who it is until that person turns up and frees the station.
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