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Atarlost wrote:
Drako Slyith wrote:right, harass is destructive, but not as much as either of domina's powers. Also, how many innocent people with families does oracus call on a journey which will kill roughly 500-1000 people, and probably fail in the end. He just kind of sits there and does nothing...
That's like the crew of one Deimos. Your kill count is in the millions just counting the Domina fearing Ares.
I'm lost on this domina/oracus storyline....someone care to make a *spoiler* for me? :?
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No. George has flat out denied my theory that Domina is really Oracus's sockpuppet. Other than that no spoilers are available.
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But what if Orcus is Domina's sock puppet?

What if you are my sockpuppet?

... What if everyone but you is a sockpuppet, and this entire community is all just an illusion... except... for... you...?

What if I'm right... but I'm the one on the truman show?

... ohmygawdhelpmeidontknowwhattothinkanymoreaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!

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Actually, it was more complicated than that.

We know someone known to the Iocrym as Domina proposed the sterilization of the QZ. Call this entity D1

We know someone claiming to be Domina is trying to break the quarantine by sending pilgrims against it. Call this entity D2

We know that the Ares claim to be followers of someone called Domina. Call this entity D3.

We know the Iocrym fear an evil locked inside the QZ. Call this entity X.

We know there is a human extinction movement following someone using the name Oracus. Call this entity O.

D1 and O definitely have the same goals but different means.

D2 and D3 are at odds with D1 and O and their goals are in line with freeing X.

The followers of D2 believe D2 and D3 are not the same entity.

D2 and O are real and not the inventions of priesthoods as evidenced by their magic. D3 cannot be proven at this time definitively to be more than the imaginings of the Ares priesthood.

So my conclusion was that D1 and O are the same and that D2 and X are the same. If we assume X to be the real Oracus then O is really a sockpuppet for Domina and D1 is a sockpuppet for Oracus.

But George has denied this.

Which leads to the second theory that Domina and Oracus are the same entity and like watching people squirm. This personality is more readily associated with Oracus, thus my expression that Domina is Oracus's sockpuppet.

George has also denied this.

And I'm fresh out of ways to explain Domina's actions.
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Would it not be rather that:
if X = the real oracus:
D2 is a sockpuppet for X, who is seemingly nice from the human's perspective
O is sockpuppet for D1, who is seemingly a jerk
And D3 is just a myth (or possibly D1)?
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Wild mass guessing time!

Hmm. Actually, this seems kinda spoily, should we be discussing it in the beginners forum?

[speculation removed pending better location]
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mmmm yeah. better get ttech to split and move the thread, because for some reason... it doesn't work for me -_- (well, that is, if he can login in the first place)
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actually, what if domina is stinging up the Iocrym to dry? What if she wants to destroy the iocrym because they are corrupt? She told the Iocrym to destroy the humans because she wants the Humans to usurp the Iocrym?

Or what if the Iocym are fooled and led by Oracus who claims to be Domina, so they only think destroying human space was her idea.

Or maybe Oracus calls the pilgrims claiming to be Domina?
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Drako Slyith wrote:actually, what if domina is stinging up the Iocrym to dry? What if she wants to destroy the iocrym because they are corrupt? She told the Iocrym to destroy the humans because she wants the Humans to usurp the Iocrym?

Or what if the Iocym are fooled and led by Oracus who claims to be Domina, so they only think destroying human space was her idea.

Or maybe Oracus calls the pilgrims claiming to be Domina?
We know Domina has a hidden agenda, however I don't think George will reveal that till past Heretic, although it could always be that Domia is being controlled by something. In that case it might be very interesting to see what that being is that also possibly pissed off the Iocrym. Remember George discussed once that the Iocrym were or could be 'bottom feeders' of the Ancient Races, while that does play with the corrupt it could also mean they are not significant.
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If domina is being controled by something, it would explain why she wants pilgrims to come and save her. Problem with this theory: Why doesn't she just get the Iocrym or a higher race to lead a fleet and help her?
It could be she is on the same side as Oracus and she wants to kill all the people who could beat her and Oracus; she has worked her way through the higher races, down to the Iocrym, and now wants to do the same to humans.
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Ttech wrote:
Drako Slyith wrote:actually, what if domina is stinging up the Iocrym to dry? What if she wants to destroy the iocrym because they are corrupt? She told the Iocrym to destroy the humans because she wants the Humans to usurp the Iocrym?

Or what if the Iocym are fooled and led by Oracus who claims to be Domina, so they only think destroying human space was her idea.

Or maybe Oracus calls the pilgrims claiming to be Domina?
We know Domina has a hidden agenda, however I don't think George will reveal that till past Heretic, although it could always be that Domia is being controlled by something. In that case it might be very interesting to see what that being is that also possibly pissed off the Iocrym. Remember George discussed once that the Iocrym were or could be 'bottom feeders' of the Ancient Races, while that does play with the corrupt it could also mean they are not significant.
Where did he say this?
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Wolfy wrote: Where did he say this?
I also remember him mentioning that off hand at one point. Though I think it may have been back in the UTF or something.
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A few more points:
Oracus is identified as the threat in the QZ (Maryams)

I had a thought that perhaps instigating a breakout might be a way for Domina to encourage the Sterilization Plan, but apparently that is actually well underway already... a bit too much research and I nuke my own pet theory 8-(

But if instead the Sterilization Plan has been underway as long as the quarantine, then how long a time was that? Long enough for Domina to have second thoughts or additional information leading to a change of plans?

And Domina may have *come up* with the Sterilization idea, but that doesn't mean she can *stop* the plan easily once the other races are involved, except maybe by sending enough 'pilgrims' into the fray for one to get lucky.

Hmm. Timeline: Iocrym arrive 2363, Blockade starts ?, Game starts 2419
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perhaps, but its always much more fun to discuss conspiracies. For example:

Domina got bored and so she leads sees how far the fun can go before dieing. It's her form of a dramatic movie.

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