I remember from my earlier days on these forums that some of you were interested in switching your playership in-game.
I was just wondering if anybody figured out how this would be done? I'm working on a mod that will let you change your ship at Black Market and Ringer shipyards.
Switching playership ingame?
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Ah, but I remember a discovery made by Perculi some time ago. He found a way to make devices and device slots appear and disappear. I think that's all you would need to make a convincing ship-change.alterecco wrote:Apart from what has been done here nothing has changed. It is still not doable
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True, there is a hack where you can add slots, but you can not change what kind of items can go in them. In addition you can not change a ships base stats, such as it's max cargo, thrust, maneuver, maxSpeed, mass, etc... Some of those stats can be influenced by using various virtual items, but not reliably enough and easily enough to warrant doing it. In general, you can emulate a ship that is a bit different from you current, but the work necessary to do it does not match the gain. In addition, changing the graphics of the ship with an overlay does not change the hitbox of the ship, so, you could be flying a peanut that looks like a star destroyer, but it would still only be a peanut
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So you can change the graphics of the ship, and add/remove device slots?
Alright, that should be enough for me to get by, until myself or someone else can use some sort of exploit or something to change thrust/maneuver/etc.
Alright, that should be enough for me to get by, until myself or someone else can use some sort of exploit or something to change thrust/maneuver/etc.
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You could change the thrust of the ship by having the base ship have a speed of 0 and just putting a drive on it to set the thrust amount.
It's a pretty big hack altogether, but it might work.
It's a pretty big hack altogether, but it might work.
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I thought it still wasn't possible to center the overlays... right?
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There are a number of problems with hacking in ship changes. Overlays can be centered but the original ship will appear on the map, not the overlay. Thrust and max speed can be increased from the base ship but not reduced. As Schilcote said, you can overwrite the ships and set the base stats to 0 (I have tried this and worked alright) but this should only be done in a total conversion mod. You're still stuck with the base maneuverability which cannot be modified in any way at the present time. Armor segment weight restricitions are another sticky point.
Another problem, as alterecco mentioned, is that the game engine treats the new ship graphic (using an overlay) as though it weren't there and shot collisions are calculated using the old ship graphic. This would lead to shots passing over/under the overlay graphic and only contacting the original ship.
Basically, it can be done now but it will be evident that you're not actually flying your new ship but actually flying your old ship that looks like the new one. It's best left to full conversion mods that use custom starting ships that can mitigate some of the stickier points.
Another problem, as alterecco mentioned, is that the game engine treats the new ship graphic (using an overlay) as though it weren't there and shot collisions are calculated using the old ship graphic. This would lead to shots passing over/under the overlay graphic and only contacting the original ship.
Basically, it can be done now but it will be evident that you're not actually flying your new ship but actually flying your old ship that looks like the new one. It's best left to full conversion mods that use custom starting ships that can mitigate some of the stickier points.
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I don't think centering the overlay is any issue... the real issue I see is the hitbox. I mean, unless the ship you change to has the same shape you will get totally weird shield and armor hits.
As for getting realistic stat changes through some exploit, I just need to say, don't get your hopes up. I think it is very unrealistic, and I have really spent a lot of time trying stuff out. At present time we should be content with changing ships at game start (a bit like you can't change class in nethack), and maybe hope for some script functions that can change base stats in the future... Hitbox changes I don't see happening until George implements real ship changing in vanilla.
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As for getting realistic stat changes through some exploit, I just need to say, don't get your hopes up. I think it is very unrealistic, and I have really spent a lot of time trying stuff out. At present time we should be content with changing ships at game start (a bit like you can't change class in nethack), and maybe hope for some script functions that can change base stats in the future... Hitbox changes I don't see happening until George implements real ship changing in vanilla.
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The game's balance isn't set up for this anyways; for it to be truly balanced AND a useful part of the game, it would necessarily be implemented in something as wide-scope as a TC.
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can we eventually use <OnDamageOverlay> to emulate the new hitbox ? That of course is a limited solution because we cannot change the total number of armor layers installed on the ship, or can we ?
I've been thinking of doing something just like this in a mod I'm planning. It's sort of a combination of a few ideas that people have had over the years but never saw through.
As was said before, in a conversion or adventure mod it could work, but one would have to use custom ships, all roughly the same size and shape. The base ship would have to be zeroed out and virtual devices used to make the "shell" ship take on the desired stats. The map picture isn't a problem if the default graphic for the ship were something simple and map-like.
As was said before, in a conversion or adventure mod it could work, but one would have to use custom ships, all roughly the same size and shape. The base ship would have to be zeroed out and virtual devices used to make the "shell" ship take on the desired stats. The map picture isn't a problem if the default graphic for the ship were something simple and map-like.